Sunday 9 November 2014

The Goldfinch by Donna Tartt

We all liked this book which also provoked a 5* discussion. Some thought it too long and we had a big debate was whether you need the author to explain what a book is about or is that down to the clever reader. There were spume differences of view about characterisation but we all found something of great resonance for us individually, professionally and/or personally.

Chris B Liked the characterisation, felt we got to know the main characters very well and minor characters were well described. Got brilliantly inside the head of a young teenage boy undergoing such terrible events and maintained a strong tension in what was going to happen next. Great descriptions of some of the major events. Does it need to be so long?

Chris W didnt want to read it because described so many people on the take, horrible characters but became very drawn in. Too long. Where was it going in parts? Some descriptions too long e.g. with Boris. Picks up pace back in NY. Good at portrayal e.g. of drug scene.

Steve enjoyed the writing, description of bomb, Theos reaction, holds on to the picture as a representation of his life before. Empathised with kid. Places conjured up so well e.g. thunderstorm in NY, sand and heat in Vegas. Two characters described at length and not enough of the others e.g. Hobie. Complicated themes e.g. who is the good guy? Not who you might expect i.e. Boris. Skipped bits because description is too long. End is good event but last ten pages self serving, don't have to explain what book is about. Curates egg and a roller coaster.

Rob agreed with Steve. Lovely beautiful writing style. 2 quibbles with Steve. Felt Hobie was reasonably well drawn. Not too long. Had to read it quickly to finish and didn't want to. Big quibble: liked ending. Didn't like cops and robbers bit nearer the end. Didn't think it was realistic to be in hotel for so long without incurring suspicion. Liked ideas, concepts and life comments and found end helpful in that regard. Fleeting things that happen and which have a great impact on our lives which the Goldfinch represents. Reality and boring NY Barbours life vs. zingy things that we don't tend to do represented by Boris. 

Richard Great great book. Don't agree with criticism of length. Went into depth especially with Theo. Captured his growth and development though he didn't grow so much because of the trauma. How longstanding the effect of trauma is. Loved writing, occasionally went on a bit e.g. aftermath of explosion but could see why she did this as a description of PTSD. Opening sentences really hooked me in.

Mark T agrees. Reminded me of the Magus and Great Expectations my two favourite books. Like obsession with Pippa. Very resonant. Drug phase fine, went on a bit. Sadness, empty flat. Loved Pippa relationship. Also very resonant: Can no more forget her than an aching tooth, Theo buys novel Pippa mentions. Will they get together? Barber family well described. Last pages profound. Deep resonance.

Mark Th not perfect, bit immature e.g. explaining at end. Writing brill. Character description e.g. Mrs Barbour, Andy. Some characters too limited In description. Still very entertaining. Drug taking is tedious and shows that it is. Some parts tedious e.g. Boris near end. Not perfect.

Debate about whether she should have told us what book is about at the end. Condescending. Notes for a book group. R liked the fact she explained this. Books don't have to be difficult. Diary only mentioned at the end (seems inconsistent.  For Rob it increased the value of book. Intellectual arrogance to say it is up to you. Might have been better as a writers note?


Echoes of Russian literature, following a person through life. Very good description of needing a key person in your life: importance of Hobie to Theo.